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About Blue Jeans: Equal Shabbiness for Everyone

By Nelson Fragelli   
November 29, 2011
Blue Jeans

George Will wrote an article in The Washington Post titled “America's Bad Jeans.” The article analyses the influence blue jeans have on those who wear them. In his piece, Will cites another article published by the American writer Daniel Akst in The Wall Street Journal, “Down with Denim.”

Akst denounced denim as a ubiquitous fabric, which is symptomatic of deep disorders in the national psyche. He said it was a manifestation of “the modern trend toward undifferentiated dressing, in which we all strive to look equally shabby. Jeans come prewashed and acid-treated to make them look like what they are not -- authentic work clothes for the calloused-handed sons of toil and the soil.” In other words, Akst says, “Denim on the bourgeoisie is discordant.”

Blue Jeans

According to Akst, blue jeans expose a profound contradiction of one aspect of Western civilization, especially in the middle classes: “How is it that the middle classes dress in a way that does not reflect them? This egalitarian way of dressing of the American is the infantile uniform of a nation, used by young and old alike. It is the clerical vestment for the priesthood of all believers in democracy’s catechism of leveling – thou shalt not dress better than society’s most slovenly.”

George Will adds, “Denim is the carefully calculated costume of people eager to communicate indifference to appearances. But the appearances that people choose to present in public are cues from which we make inferences about their maturity and respect for those to whom they are presenting themselves.”

Will concludes by saying, “Edmund Burke -- what he would have thought of the denimization of America can be inferred from his lament that the French Revolution assaulted ‘the decent drapery of life.’ It is a straight line from the fall of the Bastille to the rise of denim -- said: ‘To make us love our country, our country ought to be lovely.’”


What is the connection between a political event and a way of dressing? When the French revolutionaries invaded the Bastille, they proclaimed, among other things, the total equality between men: “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity.” Since blue jeans have become a uniform, “an egalitarian way of dressing,” it is here that Akst saw the link.

Although the Levi Strauss name is indelibly associated with copper-riveted jeans, it was Jacob W. Davis who first fabricated them at his Reno shop in the State of Nevada in 1871. After several legal battles, he and Strauss jointly won patent rights to the invention, and Davis supervised their manufacture in San Francisco until his death.

Both men had the intention to sell strong fabric for tents and wagon covers as well as tough trousers for the men who knelt on the muddy, stony banks of Northern California creeks panning for gold, and for surveyors and teamsters working for the Central Pacific Railroad in the mid 1800’s.

These working men were frequently rustic, without any religion and with few moral principles. Tight-fitting to reveal the form of the body, from the beginning blue jeans expressed the strength of manual labor and of a sexually active youth. The sexual revolution was already present in its shape. From 1935, advertisements began to show women in blue jeans also.

 

Blue Jeans

Anna Schober, who has a doctorate in History and Art History (2000) and lives in Vienna, recently published the results of her study of blue jeans in a volume entitled Vom Leben in Stoffen und Bildern (Life in Materials and Images). In it, she describes her surprise to discover that the history of these trousers is the history of an immense advertising campaign to impose blue jeans as a fashion.

The distribution of blue jeans is identical to the history of religious and ideological propaganda techniques by means of the radio, film, magazines and billboards. In one of these billboards Marilyn Monroe appears in blue jeans with her midriff exposed – a fashion that only became generalized fifty years later.

The advertising campaign was effective. The copper-riveted jeans ceased to be a symbol of the worker and became one of social groups. In the 20th century no other item of clothing was pushed so much to the point of becoming one of the symbols of the century.

What is the psychological effect of blue jeans? What tendencies do they arouse? What revolutionary ambience do they create? Social research reveals that the first two tendencies encouraged by this type of clothing are the desire to be the same as everyone else, and to blend in with the masses thus becoming imperceptible and like everyone else. However, if this piece of clothing gives to the wearer the sensation of imperceptibility, it contradictorily emphasizes the shape of the body, which gives the impression of notoriety.

At first, while blue jeans were being launched, they attracted those passionate for novelty who wanted to break with the formality and tradition of the dominant fashion. To wear jeans was a radical criticism of that society. Imperceptibility and pre-eminence is in fact the mysterious contradiction these trousers bring to the forefront. They seem to proclaim: “Do you want to be different? Then be like everyone else.”

Alongside these two psychological stimuli there is yet a third. Jeans evoke a sympathetic proletarianization of society. This proletarian effect refined itself in later models of jeans presented: first they were faded, then ripped, now shredded.

According to Anna Schober, a symbol acts especially in daily life by impregnating the mind with the principle symbolized. Jeans present a proletarian idea of a world in contradiction with itself. In this sense, Jeans foster a Marxist-like mentality of egalitarianism as well as the absurdity of communism itself.

Prof. Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira says that the way of dressing denotes a preference for certain principles expressed symbolically by the type of clothes worn. He says that souls are influenced much more by living principles contained in ambiences and fashions than by philosophical theories expounded in treatises.

Blue jeans have become a uniform. Whole sectors of society have become equalized, after first having been led to do so out of rebellion by the mediocrity of the bourgeoisie world. Infallibly, clothing expresses the mentality of those who created and used them throughout the ages.

The popularization of denim reveals a prodigious process of the depersonalization of the peoples. It could easily be adopted by Brussels as the uniform of the countries of the European Union.


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+16 # Michelle 2011-12-17 11:24
My family & I don't wear jeans for Mass on the Sabbath Day altho' our older son is quite a rebel & chooses to do the contrary, choosing to go with the flow. Jeans are the the cheapest garment available & also thru all charity stores. But the individual ought to choose to dress for the occasion especially for spiritual Masses, funerals etc. Jesus the King of kings deserves the best of the best and so jeans just don't associate with Jesus.
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+5 # Former Jean Man 2012-06-04 11:56
You can buy an entire outfit at a thrift store for the cost of a pair of levis. Cost should never be an excuse in these days of plenty.
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-20 # Michael 2011-12-17 11:31
Oh my gosh. Get a life.
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+2 # Francesco Saverio Ca 2011-12-17 11:44
Sono contrario all'uso indiscriminato dei blue ieans sempre e dovunque! Io non li ho mai portati!
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+5 # Patricia 2011-12-17 11:49
Very thought-provoking article. I confess I am rather attached to my jeans as they are tough and good for working around the house. I tried to make the move to all skirts some time ago but I have an aversion to tights and nylons. And jeans tend to keep me warmer.
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+6 # Jaimie 2012-06-17 19:17
I went all-skirts almost two years ago, and do not wear tights/nylons. I just wear long skirts with knee-high socks! It works :)
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+3 # Cindy 2013-06-19 17:06
In order to be warm when wearing a skirt, all one needs to do is wear something warmer under the skirt. My grandmothers wore "snuggies," which are cotton undershorts, basically. But I have found that stretchy bike shorts work, too, especially in our northern winters. I wear these under a longer wool skirt in the Winter to attend Sunday Mass, and I am not cold. TRY IT!
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+30 # John Lyons 2011-12-17 11:50
Women were created to attract men but I get upset when they wear jeans inappropriately especially when they wear them low slung over the hips and going to receive Holy Communion. I feel they should be dressed appropriately on these holy occasions. Very respectfully, John
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+5 # Joan 2011-12-17 12:16
Being the only girl and growing up in the '40's with 5 brothers, I wore hand me down jeans before they were popular. I had a dress for church. Other than that jenas were warm, practical, affordable and comfortable, and I still wear jeans today for the same reason, not as a fashion statement.
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+5 # Gayle 2012-06-11 15:24
Joan, respectfully, while you may not be wearing jeans as a fashion statement, they are one. Everything you do, say, and wear makes a statement to the world about what is in your heart. Men and women religious in cloistered monasteries live in a way that slows down their lives so they can think deeply about each thing that they do, so they can live ON PURPOSE, so they send only messages that will be good for those around them and build up the Kingdom of God. You too might want to practice doing everything with PURPOSE; reflect and consider what you are saying to the world when you choose to wear jeans rather than a skirt. It is so very subtle, but it does send a message, whether you want it to be there or not. And it is up to you what you will do about it. In His Love, Gayle
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+25 # cindy 2011-12-17 12:20
Back in the day of the Cure De Ars, he didn't chastise people for showing up in work clothes, reason being clothing was a big expense in the 1800s and they were going to work right after Mass during the week. Today there is no reason someone has to wear jeans to Sunday Mass. If new clothes are too pricey, there are thrift and consignment stores that carry good quality for low prices. Catholics have lost the realization they are in the presence of God in the Holy Eucharist. We need to show respect and one way we do that in dress. Most people wouldn't dream of wearing blue jeans to a "black tie" event in the secular world.
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+4 # Antoinette 2011-12-17 12:25
Jesus may be the king of kings but he was also the son of a humble carpenter and spoke the slang of his day. I will never understand why dress is such an issue among traditional conservative Catholics. What - should the middle class dress better than those of us who are blue collar working class citizens, as a reflection that they are "better" than us? What about that verse "Man looks on the outward appearance but the Lord looks on the heart?" Yes, I agree that we should be modest, but what the heck is wrong with blue jeans as long as your body is appropriately covered? Why is there such an emphasis on externals among you people? This is not at the heart and soul of what being Catholic is about. Why don't you try changing the inside for a change, instead of slamming everything around you?
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+4 # Gayle 2012-06-11 15:33
Antoinette, I don't think the goal here is to "slam" anyone. If you agree that formal wear (for example, an elegant gown) is more beautiful and pleasing than a pair of jeans and t-shirt, then you can see that not all clothing is equal. Some clothing more clearly reflects the beauty and form of our human bodies than others, and reflecting that form in a modest way is a good thing for people of all classes! So as much as possible, all people of any class should accept opportunities to wear nicer clothing as often as possible. Most of us in America, even those of us who are "working class," are able to dress in nice clothing (a dress, slacks, button-up, etc.) when we are not at a job that requires the use of certain clothing for our safety! So I think this article is trying to say, if you can dress nicely, whoever you are and whatever you do for a living, dress nicely as often as possible.
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+4 # Nancy 2013-06-18 13:59
Quoting Patricia:
Very thought-provoking article. I confess I am rather attached to my jeans as they are tough and good for working around the house. I tried to make the move to all skirts some time ago but I have an aversion to tights and nylons. And jeans tend to keep me warmer.

Antoinette, with all due respect, do you wear jeans to parties, an elegant dinner date, weddings, funerals and baptisms? If you do, then we may deduce that they are your "habit," as in religious garb, and we won't flinch or shudder when we see you approach the altar of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords in cutoffs or slashed jeans. If not, then it's time to think is through and apply a bit of logic to your dress.
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+4 # Marilu 2013-06-19 03:06
Yes, Jesus was a "humble" person, but also, yes, a King; therefore warrants our respect, consideration and our acknowledgment of the need to honor His greatness and Godly majesty as our Creator -- thus our need to be humble in His presence and one of those ways to show humbleness and honor is to be mindful of our appearance in His Presence!
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+2 # Griselda 2011-12-17 12:55
I volunteer to visit the sick at a community hospital, all legal docs. and health records were presented in order to obtain a hospital I.D. one of the rules for visits: NO JEANS ARE TO BE WORN WHILE MAKING VISITS TO THE SICK.
The house of God is holy ground.
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0 # Kyle 2011-12-17 12:55
I very much agree that folks--including young people--ought not to wear jeans to Sunday Mass, and other liturgical occasions. I love how the Catholic Church promotes modesty in fashion, but I don't recall them ever coming out with a doctrine or some Magisterial teaching that states "JEANS ARE EVIL" or "Only ignorant and bad people wear jeans," or better yet "If you wear jeans, you are committing mortal sin." This article is simply promoting extremism. It gives the reader the impression that only the people who dress and think like you (TFP) are considered "good" in your opinion. That type of mentality causes more division in the Church--not unity--and yes, unity in the Church is important! I encourage this group (TFP) to reconsider your perspectives on matters as superfluous as this, and to cease putting innocent people down for wearing jeans, especially if they choose to wear them outside of Mass.
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0 # michael a. bimonte 2011-12-17 12:58
I usually agree with and enjoy the commentary on the TFP website, but I must admit you lost me on this one-with all the larger issues of abortion, rape incest, war, violence and all the rest, I personally give little thought to the wearing of denim. I could live with everyone wearing denim if we could all
start treating each other with civility.
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+7 # Mary 2011-12-17 12:59
Very interesting....I hadn't thought of jeans in such a manner. Thanks for the information. I will be praying and discerning my wearing jeans. I know that when "we know better we do better"!!
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+1 # Kenneth Gallagher 2011-12-17 13:11
The dissidents want license, not love and liberty, and the traditionalists want control and order at the price of mercy and compassion for His dear little ones suffering the pain and poverty of His cross. Both ends of the spectrum do the work of the Pharisees. Very sad. This is why when I ask beggars who sit in front of our Cathedral if they would like to come in to the mass, I invariably get the same answer in one form or another, and as one so very plainly put it, "it is no more than a country club in there," and he most certainly would not be welcomed in. Don't kid yourselves. As we do to the least of these, this is how we treat Jesus. Jesus sees through the so-called social justice that the dissidents pretend to be concerned with; but he also sees through the exterior phoniness of the pharisees who wear all the finest garments and to whom appearances are so very important. Neither heart is right with our Blessed Lord Jesus who seeks mercy and compassion, not false sacrifice.
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-5 # Teri 2011-12-17 13:29
Antoinette,
Notice that the "traditional Catholic conservatives" make judgments about external things... Not people. You, however, just judged the internal hearts of this group of "you people." THAT is what Jesus forbids us to judge...people. We are free to judge externals. Now who is the hypocrite?
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-1 # Bill Johnson 2011-12-17 13:34
Seems a bit of ,"much to-do about nothing" to me. I agree with all those who feel jeans inappropriate attire for Mass or a house of worship. I was raised to believe that when visiting God's house, one should dress accordingly. Jeans were a definite "nono". However, as an 81 year old, I find jeans to be comfortable, appropriate for almost anything I want to do, from painting and working on hands & knees (not too much of that any more - too hard to get back up)to going to the theater, a concert, and just about anything else. Dress clothes a de-riguer when going to church, visiting with strangers, etc. I do not feel they are a fashion statement, or an indication of the state of the union.
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+3 # Mark Grillo,TOC 2013-06-18 22:27
I understand what you are saying, Bill; but if you go to high schools & universities today, & for the past 40 years , at least, you will be able to see clearly how blue jeans ARE a fashion statement as well as an indication of the moral direction of our teens & adolescents. I personally avoided jeans as a student of Catholic High 1977-80, for moral & philosophical reasons.....needless to say, I got picked on for my denim boycott. Here's from the horse's mouth: "You and your brother must be virgins; you DON'T WEAR BLUE JEANS !", we were told. God bless you, Mark
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+7 # Patricia Cornell 2011-12-17 13:37
The tightness to the body is a sure sign women should not be wearing them outside the home...a man looking at a woman in jeans sees the formfitting and his eyes go right to the crotch area and the brain fills in the blanks..of what she does NOT show.

..unless a blouse covers to the knees area...much like the Vietnamese women wore their lovely slacks and top. The word is not heard much and should come back in style...the word is "modesty."

Patricia in St. Louis, MO
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+4 # Mark Grillo,TOC 2013-06-18 22:20
Excellent, Patricia! We need more women like you who are aware of the way males' minds, under the influence of Original Sin in combination with their psychology, work. God bless you. Jesus+Maria, Mark
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+8 # Daria J. Taylor 2011-12-17 13:40
church is no place for jeans.. we ladies young or old need to dress properly while attending mass. Follow OUR LADY 's example...cover our heads and wear a dress, or shirt..our priest need to set a "dress code" in their churches..especially in the summer time..jeans n JESUS.. just don't go together.
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+12 # Lisa 2011-12-17 13:50
I am the mother of 6 girls and 2 sons. We women/girls do not wear pants, let alone blue jeans. We do have denim skirts. We live on a farm and find denim to be most durable to work in. However, we never wear denim skirts to Sunday Mass. Sadly, as I look around at the majority of those in attendance, my husband, older son, and a few others are the only men wearing suit jackets. Many women as well as men (not to mention children) wear blue jeans to Holy Mass. TFP, you have hit the nail on the head with this article. We buy clothes through thrift shops as much as anyone. Modest, respectable clothing must be worn to Holy Mass. If parents can afford to buy all sorts of electronic gadgetry for their children, they most certainly can look for decent clothing for their family. The trend to "look the same as the Joneses" and to ignore how one looks in the presence of the King of Kings makes my heart ache.
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-12 # Alejandro Sanchez 2011-12-17 13:52
Let's not forge, that Jesus wore designer clothing and walked around in expensive shoes and lived a wealthy life of Calvinistic ideology. Wake up and smell the coffee in America. Looks like the author has nothing better to do, while most of us have to work hard to put bread on the table.
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-11 # Mark Millward 2011-12-17 14:01
Hhhhhh...hhhhhh...hogwash! Utter hhhhh....hhhhhh...hogwash!
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-4 # Robert 2011-12-17 14:08
I sometimes wear nice, new, freshly pressed jeans to church, with a dress shirt, and sometimes a tie. Nothing wrong with that. There are farmers who live in our rural area. About 10 years ago, at church, there were complaints that folks were wearing dirty clothes, jeans with holes, etc. A few weeks later our Priest announced at all the masses that ALL were welcome ..... Businessmen with suits and ties, and farmers right out of the field, with dirty, holey jeans. We all celebrate Mass together, hand in hand. The Priest said that as long as we are all there, he doesn't care if we wear pajamas! I'm very grateful for Father John. As the Good Book says, Judge not, let thou be judged!
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-2 # SHON & ANNA 2011-12-17 14:09
My family does not wear denim to Mass. We do wear denim on other days. However, I am wondering why this article appears now when it seems that the majority of the "middle class" and "under" DO NOT wear blues jeans - they wear pajamas and sweats for daily activities. I have no problem with denim outside of Mass as long as the body is covered and respectful. Very Respectfully and God Bless!
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-6 # Joe H 2011-12-17 14:19
Why don't you just keep the focus on abortion and other moral evils?

Wearing jeans is no longer a symbol of rebellion, and making an issue of it doesn't make you look principled, but rather arrogant and distant.

If the goal of this group is just to possess all of the virtue in the world to themselves, they may well succeed. My goal as a traditional Catholic is to share virtue with the world. Since the vast majority of people wear jeans with out any ill-intent, making an issue out of this is just alienating and divisive.

Hope you can accept this critique in the spirit of charity with which it is intended. God Bless and Merry Christmas.
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-6 # Sandy 2011-12-17 14:29
I am a committed Catholic, loyal to the teachings of the church. It seems that many of those whom some would call "orthodox" or "conservative" lack a true spirit of charity when it comes to judging how others dress.( Those labels, by the way, are not imposed by our Church. My pastor says there is only one type of Catholic: faithful. I wholeheartedly agree.) Wearing jeans does in and of itself does not a rebel--or heretic for that matter--make. I agree attire should not be immodest in any way, but there are bigger issues than this to focus on. While it's certainly convenient to cite a particular cultural trend or behavior and present it as validation of society's lack of values or for its need of reform, we really ought to avoid coming across in the process as judgmental and perhaps narrow-minded. Otherwise, we risk alienating those in most need of our and the Church's evangelization and love.
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+2 # Gayle 2012-06-11 15:40
Sandy, while I agree with your warning to be careful not to come across as narrow-minded, it is important to still get the message out there. The claim that jeans have traditionally expressed same-ness and sexual assertiveness does not sound too far-fetched, so I think this article is just meant for devout Catholics, who are living counter-culturally in a way that will make other people feel uncomfortable, to question their choice of dress and see whether God is asking them to take one extra step with it. Look at how the Blessed Mother dressed. Now I don't know everything about what God might want from us, but if He came and asked me to do my best to dress like her, on some level that would make sense, wouldn't it? So an article on "not wearing jeans" isn't so terribly "out there" after all...
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+1 # John 2011-12-17 14:35
In my opinion anyone's degree of respect and reverence has something to do with the individual's attitude in the manner of dressing when presenting themselves. Unquestionably a person properly attired to fit the occasion commands respect and its a sign of concern for others to follow suit for you are not going to wear a bathing suit to go to church when everyone knows its the kind of attire designed and reserved for the beach where the ocean is, the same as to the bride who wears a wedding dress to get married on and not to work in the kitchen with. Does anyone trust a Medical Doctor wearing jeans or confide on a priest in the nude...???
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+2 # Lauraine moody 2011-12-17 14:37
Alleluia!!!! finally someone can see the connection. I was so disappointing last year when I went to Europe and where we could at one time they were people with pride and respect. Jeans, jeans and more jeans is all I saw young; old and in between and many times could not even differentiate the sex. My biggest shock came when someone presented the Pope at offertory dressed in jeans I am from Canada and Fridays here are jean days in the name of charity. I absolutely refuse to deal at my bank on that day due to the lack of respect. I am a woman and I wear a skirt and love it. I feel good and look good.
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+8 # Kylie 2011-12-17 15:25
I am a teenage girl, and I never have been tempted to wear jeans. I think they are ugly and uncomfortable. And very immodest for women. I find it disgusting that so many women and girls wear them to MASS.
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+2 # Cindy 2013-06-19 17:17
Kylie, I meant to give you a plus, but I wrongly hit the "down" button! Sorry! It is great that you are speaking out on this. I am disgusted that my generation pushed this whole thing, and now we are all paying for it. As a grandmother of 9, I try to think of how my dress (whether at Mass or not) sets an example for young people. Modesty is a word we all need to know, understand and use!
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+8 # reginaangelorum 2011-12-17 15:40
There's a reason companies impose dress codes. It's because the better you dress, the better you perform. If it works for your boss, it should work for your spiritual "Boss."
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-7 # Gerantius 2011-12-17 15:57
We all know that the Mafia looked real good in their suits and put on appearances but performed some dastardly deeds. I think Jesus can read man's heart and doesn't pay that much attention to their garb.
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+1 # Sarah 2011-12-17 16:16
I wear clean modest jeans to Mass. I would rather do that than spend money keeping up with fashion or comparing my wardrobe to others. Our community is a farming casual small town. I do not think that my clothing is a barrier to my communion with our Lord.
If the priest asked us not to wear jeans, I would change. I think we should all be more concerned with our interior condition before Mass and in our daily lives.
Furthermore, it is quite difficult these days to find modest women's clothing.
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+10 # Christine 2011-12-17 16:17
I agree with Cindy about dress being reverent for God's house. You would not wear blue jeans to the White House so why do we wear them to church where Jesus is present. as a young girl I only had 1or 2 dresses which I alternated wearing on Sunday. I don't object if I see you wearing the same dress or skirt every week. Seeing someone dressing appropriately tells me they dress for themselves and God.
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-2 # Toni 2011-12-17 16:20
Denim gets a bad rap because of those who force the fashions down peoples throats. To get decent jeans, I have to buy mine out of the men's section because the ones made for women are made to be indecent - we are not given a choice by those dictating fashion year to year. Also, the same can be said about trashy jeans - ripped and full of holes. Jeans are comfortable, rugged, versatile. In good condition denims can look quite nice - and I feel - be acceptable for (almost) any occasion, going to mass included.
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-8 # Liam 2011-12-17 16:54
I see Jeans in the better stores and they are purposely faded and some are even torn at a price of $50. However, I also see Carpenters and other Tradesmen wearing them to-day., If Jesus were here to-day, he would definitely wear them, furthermore, he would not be a poor carpenter. He would be a Chief Steward if not President of the Carpenters Union. He would make sure that his members would be getting the going rate which is around $50 per hour.
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0 # scragsma 2011-12-17 17:36
I disagree strongly with this article. I like blue jeans. They're simple, comfortable, and durable. The 'fashion' of deliberately tearing and fading them is idiotic, and the 'fashion' of wearing them skin-tight is disgusting, but well-cared-for clean blue jeans are the perfect everyday wear. I'm more interested in people's behavior than their apparel.
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0 # Mark Grillo,TOC 2013-06-24 13:57
Scragsma, it is heartening that you realize that tight, torn blue jeans are not Catholic, however when you say that you are more "interested in people's behavior than their apparel", you've "missed it", so to say, because donning clothes as well as choosing what clothes to wear IS, in fact, behavior. Sincerely yours in Jesu+Maria, Mark
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+7 # scragsma 2011-12-17 17:38
Addendum: I agree with most of the commenters that wearing jeans to Sunday Mass is, in most cases, irreverent.
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-2 # Joan 2011-12-17 18:42
Jeans are comfortable, hardwearing and, yes, modest; though I do wish they still made them to come right up to the waist. You don't have to spend extra for a fancy brand-name or those absurd rips. For everyday wear, you can't go past jeans; of course you need something smarter for special occasions. Where I live it's too hot in summer for jeans, so I wear skirts, but in winter I live in my jeans!
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0 # Justin 2011-12-17 18:53
I wouldn't dream of wearing jeans to Mass or any other formal occasion, but I don't see much fault in wearing them elsewhere. I wonder if Mr. Wil and Mr. Akst protest a bit too much here.
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-2 # Pinky Cuenca 2011-12-17 19:31
I think blue jeans are the greatest invention. It is practical (can be worn in cold and warm climates), sturdy (can last a lifetime), and accepted in all strata of society (which is good rather than objectionable). I am uncomfortable with the article's conjectures.
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+8 # Martin Murray 2011-12-17 19:33
I would never ever dress in jeans to visit my Lord and Saviour. They are slovenly and do not fit the occasion to meet Almighty God. Would you wear jeans to visit a King or a Queen. Compared to Almighty God that would be all they deserved! If you are not bothered about Almighty God why should He be bothered about you? Dress accordingly!
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0 # Vlad 2011-12-17 20:07
Well, I would mind a pair of 'nice' jeans to church with 'nice' shirt, rather than pair of short or torn jeans n t-shirt NORMAL people wear to the beach or around the car.
Understandably, people follow people, as to some that are blind, I often put them the question, "how would you dress before a judge, or a king?"
No matter how contemporary, whether the times of Jesus with robes (Jesus wore 'nice' robes Mary made for Him), the 'quality' of presentation is almost always OBVIOUS,
So one could, with common sense, apply such 'quality' to a fabric like denim.
Blessings to all for Christmas
Emmanuel
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0 # Anna Asher 2011-12-17 20:39
I disagree with the assertions of this article. The ideas draw an incorrect conclusion by omitting the reality that jeans have classes. Their are $700 jeans and there are wal-mart 29.95 jeans. There are some ripped, faded jeans on which the author has buit his argument how we there are also trouser jeans and dark wash jeans. People dress jeans up and dress them down and people absolutely use their jean style to distinguish themselves! I don't even think it is a valid argument to say that women wearing jeans are trying equate themselves with men. While denim pants originated as men's wear they are completely redesigned for women today. The valid argument against jeans would be to discuss the way they reveal woman's body in a manner that clothing should conceal and can be used to seek to tempt our brother. That is a thought worth pondering.
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+7 # Thomas Toenjes 2011-12-17 20:41
In the 1930's there was a book called "1984" by George Orwell that described what socialism would be like in England in 1984. It described the uniform of Big Brother's workers in the various ministries. All the workers had to wear bib overalls, the outer circle blue, the inner circle black. In the 1960's when in college I noticed some of the social activists and hippies began to wear (you guessed it) blue bib overalls. They looked like and sometimes acted like faux pig farmers. Now here we are 50 years later and.. voila!..all wearing blue overalls. Bib overalls were a bit clumsy and black was just not chic. The Clothes Police have it all figured out.
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0 # Mary Jane 2011-12-17 21:36
I wear jeans because they are comfortable, last a long time, wash over and over again and look nice, and go with all colors. I do NOT wear jeans to weddings or funerals. I have worn jeans, pressed and clean, to mass on rare occasions when I was going somewhere afterward and didn't have time to change. I am fully covered with no holes or rips. I think Jesus would rather have me at mass than to skip. I realize that some people do go to far, but not all of us. I think a parent can keep a teen from wearing a revealing pair of jeans, especially at mass. It's better to have a teen at mass than not. You never know what "message" they just might hear that will bring their faith alive for them. I think jeans, when worn appropriately, are fine in our everyday lives. Thank you for letting me share.
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+18 # Christine Esteves 2011-12-17 21:40
Would you go to a dinner with the President in jeans? I think not! Also what I think is even worse is wearing shorts to Mass! You are not going to a picnic or play golf. You are going to a banquet with the Lord! Where has all the class gone from the Americans and all people of the World!
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-3 # Noralee 2011-12-17 22:06
This is nonsense. I wear jeans because they are comfortable, don't allow for much weight gain, and are durable. They hold up during hard work and look fine going out. I don't buy the shredded type because I put enough wear & tear on them myself. I thought distressed furniture was ridiculous too. To make a federal case out of the fact that jeans are well appreciated by everyone, as they should be for a multitude of reasons, comparing their popularity to a penchant toward communism is absurd! They are actually a credit to the free enterprise system that encourages an individual to notice a need, and have the ability to create a product to fill that need. In the process he advances his monetary gain, and allows all of society to benefit in numerous ways.
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0 # Fr John Boos 2011-12-17 22:28
Sorry, it was not Davis who first made the jeans, it was Levi Strauss himself. He had seen the farmers in Italy using a blue cotton trousers in the valley of Genes, and in migrating to South Africa he copied the style of the farmers and called his clothes the "Bleu de Genes". It was only later on that, once more migrating into the States, his style was taken over by Davis and produces by the two men together.
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+11 # William 2011-12-17 22:48
I think some people are acting defensive because the article challenges them personally, but you have to step back and look at the big picture. Why does EVERYONE, including the vast majority of people who DON'T work on a farm or in a factory, wear jeans? Denim is NOT the cheapest fabric as some have suggested. I work in asphalt paving and Dickies or Carthart work pants are superior to jeans anyway.
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+11 # Jeanne Breunig 2011-12-17 23:33
My husband and I met in college in 1969. He never wore blue jeans. I asked him why one day. His reply: they are for the barn. He was a lifelong farmer and wore them in the barn. At college, not being in the barn, he did not wear them.
Let me tell you:
Recently, I had to stop in at a business for a minute to talk to someone. Lo and behold, I knew the receptionist. What was she wearing? Skin tight jeans. I could not believe it. A total disconnect from the person I thought I knew.
When a gal went up to lector at Mass two days ago, she was wearing jeans. I closed my eyes until she went back to her pew.
Lord have mercy.
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+10 # Al 2011-12-17 23:42
Thank God, I shed my jeans for khakis years ago. The behavior shown with this product is peer pressure or shunned from a group who do not conform to wearing these britches. I have received tasteless comments from ill mannered people, why I do not wear them. I feel they symbolize rebellion, unconformity and totally lacks the uniqueness of an individual taste. Moreover, the person appears to be slovenly and immodest. I am a blue collar worker; when it came time to change from the navy blue uniform to jeans I refused. I received more respect from managers and customers out in the street for my insistence in maintaining the traditional uniform. Furthermore, what was disgusting to see married men who changed to jeans admiring other co workers (male) buttocks. They started to act like pretentious women. So go figure!
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0 # Mark Grillo,TOC 2013-06-19 23:33
Excellent,Al ! I repeat here a comment made to "Bill Johnson"; you & I are 'on the same page" : "If you go to high schools & universities today, & for the past 40 years, at least, you will be able to see clearly how blue jeans ARE a fashion statement as well as an indication of the moral direction of our teens & adolescents. I personally avoided jeans as a student of Catholic High 1977-80, for moral & philosophical reasons.....needless to say, I got picked on for my denim boycott. Here's from the horse's mouth: 'You and your brother must be virgins; you DON'T WEAR BLUE JEANS !', we were told." God bless you, Mark Grillo,TOC,ROSMA
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+14 # Linda Kuehl 2011-12-18 00:15
Thanks for the reminder! I always used to dress up but one Sunday recently I did wear unfaded, unrivited dress jeans. I did not feel as comfortable as with more respectful clothes.
Peace & blessings, Linda
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+15 # maureen 2011-12-18 02:26
I can't wait to show this article to my 11 yr old daughter. Years ago she decided that were jeans were not comfortable, which is what I also decided as a youth. She loves fashions from the past and cannot understand why women would want to were jeans all the time. This leads to discussions about the power of marketing and lack of individuality, creativity, sense of femininity, and critical thinking skills!! Thanks!
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-13 # James Howard 2011-12-18 02:35
Let me make sure I understand this. Over 4,000 babies die per day here in the U.S.
and we have a world wide threat of Totalitarian International Socialism or Communism and we are elevating fashion discussions to the level of being a critical issue? I think sometimes we act a little stupid. I will wear my nice jeans and worship as a conservative Catholic who supports the church's teachings and I will oppose abortion and all liberalism and secularism while you worry about my fashion. Lets see who has their priorities in the right place. This is very eccentric and screwed up. Now are you against wearing shorts in 100 degree heat? Or Flip flops at the beach? Can we stop discussing unimportant issues and stop sounding like neurotic idiots? This is a cultural (Northeastern?) hang up and makes us sound stupid and I do not think we are. We are a people of love and intelligence. Would we want people in Hawaii to wear suits in 90 degree weather? Lets get our priorities straight.
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0 # Mark Grillo,TOC 2013-06-20 00:43
Part I -Dear Mr.Howard, If abortion & threats of Socialism/Communism concern you, then you must see the need of getting to the root of the problems. I was surprised to hear from a Serbian friend that immodesty IS one of the chief tools used by the Bolsheviks to subvert the Church & society. Dusan Cuk told me, "They marched into my country years ago with huge banners saying, 'DOWN with SHAME !; DOWN with MODESTY !'" Our Lady appeared at Fatima to warn of the Bolsheviks' plot. Part of the core message of Fatima deals with Chastity, as you no doubt are familiar: "The sins which cause most souls to go to Hell are the sins of the flesh."; "Certain fashions shall be introduced which shall greatly offend Our Lord.." Sincerely in Jesu+Maria,Mark Grillo,TOC,ROSMA
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0 # Mark Grillo,TOC 2013-06-20 00:45
Part II - Immodesty invites impure thoughts and desires which then lead to sins of impurity. Continuing unchecked, it leads to severe promiscuity, coupled with a desire to be free of RESPONSIBILITY: "We'll use birth control; if that fails, we'll have an abortion." I encourage you to read "The Problem of Teen-Age Purity",(Fr.Camilleri,1961), a compilation of Ven.Pope Pius XII's teachings on chastity ,along with the same Pope's "Address to the Latin Union of High Fashion". If we are "neurotic idiots" who don't have "our priorities straight", neither did Ven. Pope Pius XII. Sincerely in Jesu+Maria,Mark Grillo,TOC,ROSMA
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+16 # Donald 2011-12-18 04:35
Trousers for women? We men haven't gone for dresses. Is this one good/bad reason for making women more masculine?

As a man, sure I look at "nice jeans". But I never notice her eyes. I respect women in dresses far more.
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-15 # Jason K. Renner 2011-12-18 10:34
What's good enough for Christ's presence? Dress pants? A suit? A tux? There's nothing good enough. I'll wear my jeans. Besides, how can one help their brother while constrained in fancy clothes?
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+10 # Marilyn 2011-12-18 11:01
I would love to dress more modestly, and forego pants for the most part. I believe it is my right, privilege, and duty as a Catholic woman to do so. But there is almost no finding modest skirts or dresses in stores, especially if you are hard to fit, as I am. Mail order dressmakers are expensive, and the styles are usually not at all what I'm looking for. I would love to see a resource list of local seamstresses, who will make practical, everyday skirts and dresses for ladies!
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+9 # James 2011-12-18 11:14
Jeans have become a fixture in our everyday life. Those who would protest that the manner of dress means nothing, are ignoring the fact that the widespread dressing of women like men, occurred in synchronization with the total breakdown of social morals. People become attached to what they have grown accustomed to and will use every irrational argument to defend. They are not being honest with themselves. They are unable to look inward and challenge their own assumptions about things. As long as they are this way, the truth will be lost to them, and their intellect. That is not to say that they won't "stumble" across the truth occasionally, but the discovery of the truth through rational thought is a closed door for them.
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+12 # James 2011-12-18 11:15
People are not being honest with themselves. They are unable to look inward and challenge their own assumptions about things. As long as they are this way, the truth will be lost to them, and their intellect. That is not to say that they won't "stumble" across the truth occasionally, but the discovery of the truth through rational thought is a closed door for them. Finally, they will resort to name calling and characterization of those whom they disagree with. What we think of where we are is reflected in the way we dress. When we wear everyday clothing to church, this is a reflection of our attitude towards the worship of our Lord.
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-2 # Walter 2011-12-18 13:14
Nice clean and non-cut jeans are OK for church if you have to, at least their better than I see what some of our young people are wearing to CHURCH especially in the Summer, dressed like they were going to the beach and also in those NASTY flip-flops. Altar servers should not wear other than dress attire on the altar, and no UGGGG boots in winter.
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+7 # Ed 2011-12-18 14:30
I'm 62 years old and have worn jeans all my life. They are durable and last a long time. Other types of pants are much more expensive. I buy my jeans in discount stores. I don't go for the so called "high fashion" kind. I don't wear jeans to Sunday mass. But I wear them every day otherwise. I don't like the crazy things they do to jeans nowadays; such as ripping them up and fading them. Also, I don't like them skin tight. I've seen other types of pants, especially women's pants that are skin tight. Tight pants are not exclusive to jeans. I think jeans are fine as long as they're not tight or cut up or faded.
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+19 # Katherine 2011-12-18 14:47
I stopped wearing jeans, and all pants for that matter, 11 years ago when I had a "reversion" to the Catholic Faith and read somewhere that women should dress as nicely and modestly as the Blessed Mother. Read Colleen Hammond's book "Dressing With Dignity" for a real eye-opener. I buy my skirts and dresses mostly from consignment shops, garage sales, and Good Will/St. Vincent DePaul stores since it is hard, but not impossible, to find them in regular stores now days. I agree, it is never appropriate to wear shabby work type clothes to Mass. One can always find dressy clothes at bargain prices. When we go to Mass, we are going to visit our God, and it shows how much respect we have for Him by how much effort we put in to dressing respectfully.
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+1 # Jaimie 2012-06-17 19:47
It's been almost 2 years for me since I stopped wearing jeans/pants, and I've never looked back! Skirts are much more comfortable than jeans anyway.
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-4 # patrick 2011-12-18 15:45
Dress to protect not to provoke, i think jeans are a very good investment for dress and work so as not to offend. They surely outlast any other material.
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+1 # William 2011-12-18 16:25
Clothes do not make the person and God looks into the heart. However, actions speak louder than words. What you wear does tell others a lot about you. So, one must watch his/her example.
Amen
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+1 # Ron 2011-12-18 17:17
I think a lot of people take this a bit too seriously. I see some humor in the fact that people with money want to wear torn and ripped clothing. We were poor as I grew up, and Mom lovingly patched our pants, which grew thing and torn with wear. Why would I want to look like that now?
Face it - whether at Mass, at work, or out in public, our attire is an extension of our attitude. In public, you are judged by your appearance, as well as your behavior. If you come to Mass in beach togs or ratty clothes, what are telling the Lord (or do you believe He is present?). If you wear shabby or overly sexy clothes to an office job, what are you communicating to the boss?
What is better, to look your best, or try not to stand out?
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+2 # Marti Armstrong 2011-12-18 18:00
Are you serious? In our culture, where many of our women and young girls are wearing low-cut, revealing dresses and blouses because they are in style, and too-short skirts and dresses, someone is worried about fabric and its color? Yes, this immodesty is prevalent even in church. I began to wear blue jeans in the 1970's as a practical, modest alternative to mini skirts. This choice was complimented by tasteful people who also cherished modesty! In my ample wardrobe, my favorite dresses and skirts are blue denim. I would rather see my grand-daughters wearing modestly-fitting jeans and modest tops out of respect for themselves and the souls of the men who will see them.
Modest blue denim slacks should be a non-issue in a group who cherishes the sacredness of human life, marriage between one man and one woman, and the love and laws of God and His Church. Pick your battles wisely!
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-5 # dennis 2011-12-18 19:44
I don't see any problem wearing jeans, and it doesn't mater if it is a women or a man. I was with the impression that a person should not be judged by the clothes he (or she) wears, but by their creed. I wear jeans most of the times, but on occasions I do wear Dockers and the like. Jeans are American, and probably more American than the Dockers I wear. Each country have their own way of dressing. We shouldn't look down on the way they dress, but certainly nobody should look down at anybody that wants to wear jeans either.
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+13 # Thomas 2011-12-19 00:50
How a person dresses and for what occasion sends a message.
A woman who wears tight fitting jeans or other revealing clothing is sending a message to attract attention to herself.
A man wearing a suit sends a message that something of importance is occurring.

People attending Mass with a desire to worship and adore God as their creator, and sincerely recognize that He is truly present, requires great reverence, which is exhibited in their posture, piety, attention and dress.
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+10 # Rachela 2011-12-19 03:48
The best arguments have already been made, so I won't exactly write a defense of this lucid article, but I will ask the naysayers to take a step back and look at their own comments. Those in favour of the article give logical reasons. Those against essentially say: 'This insults me personally' or 'I like jeans.' Those who attempt to rationalize wearing of jeans do not give sound reasons: 1) comfort? Go about in skirts and khakis for a few weeks and then try the jeans. You'll see that denim is a prison. 2) economy? No, twill trousers are often cheaper, and as skirts don't hug the body as jeans do, they don't suffer from all the wear and tear that jeans have to take. 3) lesser evil? Not true. I do remember a time when jeans were relatively decent, but no trendy woman today would wear jeans that were loose at the thighs or sat at the waist. If she's wearing jeans, they will be too tight--above the knees at least--and will show the top of her rear-end when she bends over or squats.
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+11 # Eric Miller 2011-12-19 09:47
Don't forget the parable about the wedding feast and what happened to the guy who wasn't wearing a wedding garment. It seems that appropriate clothing matters to God.
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0 # Mark Grillo,TOC 2013-06-20 00:56
I was going to post the parable of the wedding garment, but you've already done it, Eric. God bless you! Jesus+Maria, Mark Grillo, TOC, ROSMA
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+8 # Brian Carey 2011-12-19 09:57
I admit that I wear blue jeans quite often, but only around the house. I'm 41 years old, so I don't know any other society than the casually-dressed one we live in today. Whenever I see old film footage or photographs from days before the 1960s, men, women and children are dressed in Sunday-best-looking clothes, very appropriate for their age and gender. Over the past 50 years, as people have adopted a more androgynous, ageless way of dressing, a deconstruction of the trappings of Western Civilization has progressed. Now things that were once taken for granted are controversial such as: getting married THEN having children, having more than two children, saying "Merry Christmas", assuming that every child has a mother and a father. I could go on. And it's not that the people who dress this way (I'm sometimes one of them) are particularly bad or bent on the destruction of society. I think this manner of dress is an outward expression of a culture of indifference and relativism.
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+5 # Anna M 2011-12-19 10:29
Here is a term for y'all to ponder, since we are all offering thoughts here... A term Dr Plinio coined: "Tendencial Revolution". Ponder that.
Then perhaps people will not judge and condemn the article because they will understand why Mr Nelson wrote it and where he is coming from.
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+8 # Monica Davis 2011-12-19 12:04
I just want to point out something else concerning dress. The scapular. Once I started wearing it in the 1980's, I realized I had to change the way I dress. I need to have my scapular covered, so my clothes had to be modest. often, pinned on the front to bring it closer to my neck. It also causes one to use penance, by accepting some little discomfort like a little hotter in the summer, etc. No matter what the clothes though, we have to remember the command to love others, especially those who may or may not be further from the grace of God. our hearts are more important than ideals in our heads or dress.
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-8 # Will 2011-12-19 13:42
I'm always right there with TFP but this article is just bogus. I wear blue jeans to work in the yard, I don't wear them to work. On a Saturday if I go to the store and wear them, so what? What fights are we raising here? What efforts are we putting our energy into? I thought I'd never see so much wasted space on TFP. Please forgo sending me anymmore links to such articles. Good grief.
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+6 # Kenyi 2011-12-19 15:32
In my opinion, the women should not wear blue jeans. Please go back to old fashions like modest dress.
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+12 # Bernadette 2011-12-19 18:06
I have read some of these comments and can see that the culture has done something to the modesty of Catholics. Bishop Sheen said that we are living in the age of unisex. I can see no better tool than a piece of clothing that both male and female wear to make this happen. That would be blue jeans. Have these Catholics who want to wear blue jeans forgotten that Our Lady of Fatima told little Jacinta that certain fashions would be introduced that would greatly offend Our Lord? I can guarantee that most Catholics could not even write down what would be offensive to God in clothing because they have become so accustomed to the immodest dress we have been wearing. I would like to say - if you can not see Our Lady in a pair of jeans - I don't think we who wish to imitate her should wear them (or any pants) - If you are a woman, make the sacrifice for Jesus and put on a skirt or dress! This will be reparation for the sins that greatly offend Our Lord.
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+8 # Christopher Braun 2011-12-19 18:21
I have always thought that what we wear reflects our level of respect for the people around us and the level of seriousness of the occasion.
To me, wearing blue jeans to work or church reflects a lack of respect for the people and circumstances, not to mention God.
Some of the folks on here just don't get first principles. Respect, deference, honor. They are part and parcel of Christian charity.
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0 # Mark Grillo,TOC 2013-06-20 01:02
Excellent, Christopher! Polite & to-the-point, especially that this all boils down to the Theological Virtue of Charity, i.e. love of God; love of neighbor.
Sincerely in Jesu+Maria, Mak Grillo, TOC, ROSMA
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+1 # Sharon 2011-12-19 19:38
I've worn blue jeans regularly since kindergarten. As a kid, they were very comfortable and I didn't have to be super careful with them like dressy clothes. It's hard to climb a tree or play baseball in a dress! I've always had jobs that didn't require dressing up; jeans were always fine. One job required dressy clothes and I about went broke! I'm not meaning to offend anyone; I just like to be comfortable. I hope no one judges me by my casual choice of clothing. I still try to be a good person and do the things I should and not do the things I shouldn't. Wearing jeans has never been a fashion, political or any other kind of statement to me. I just like 'em!
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+2 # Lynea 2011-12-20 20:14
People are always going to be more comfortable with wearing that which most expresses what their heart desires most. If the idea of comfort is limited to self and 'fitting in' as two of it's highest desires, then it will show accordingly. If the idea of comfort is towards the dignity of man as a creature made in the image of God, and to please God Himself by honoring the virtue of modesty, and in that being they brother's keeper, clothing will be to exhort others of those higher (in the sense of spiritual goods/virtues) things.
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+3 # Fr. John+ 2011-12-21 14:04
I actually wear blue jeans that are a) not torn, b) not artificially faded, and c) for warmth in the cold of winter, and for hard work in the dirt of the yard, when gardening, raking leaves, planting, etc.

In short, I wear them for what they were intended: manual labor.

I also wear dress slacks, dress shoes, and suit coats. And I can tell you, people treat you differently when you are at the local hardware store, and when you wear your collar as a priest, so why wouldn't people treat you differently. Nowadays, the ghetto use of jeans as a homoerotic stimulus (the droopy drawers style, which originated in male-only prisons) is what is disgusting. But yes, paying more than $20 for a pair of cotton slacks is insane. Paying for ripped, faded, and shredded pants, is a symbol of a culture gone insane.
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0 # Sharon 2011-12-23 15:58
Jeans that I buy are less than $20 and are not the 'painted on' kind. If the choice to wear jeans reflects what is in ones heart, then that makes me low maintenance, free of the passion for worldly possessions and unpretentious.
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0 # ralph rivera 2011-12-26 12:31
I find this article amusing as I've always liked to dress to represent my individuality. Jeans don't since everybody looks the same, and certainly not at all any way couth. It annoys me that people go to the house of God dressed in jeans, you should approached HIM, like Jesus says, in our wedding clothes. But this article takes its observations to another level...all the way to the proletariat...interesting indeed. Head shrinkers are amusing.
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+1 # Faye 2011-12-27 13:04
Clothing styles have an intended purpose. I wear jeans to be warm, comfortable and work in my yard. I wear dressy cloths to church. Whatever may have been the underlying reason for the marketing of jeans, it simply doesn't apply to everyone. The same people who wear the artificially aged jeans also express their sense of style (or lack of it) by all other things in their life as well, not just by their clothing (pierced tongues and purple hair!). If a person is comfortable with who they are, they dress to fit the occasion (yardwork vs. church attendance) though some are oblivious (or care-less) to attire fitting the ocasion. It is the immature, young or insecure who need clothing styles to feel good about themselves or acceptable. Maturity teaches the proper place of all styles of clothing.
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+1 # Isabelle 2012-03-09 23:59
I don't think jeans are wrong. I think people see a principle that blue jeans supposedly represent, and that's what they don't like (I don't like it either).

I personally don't like the feel of denim, so I don't wear it much, but as long as they're modest and not distressed, I don't mind jeans.

Skirts look prettier, but they're more dressy and not as 'hardy'. Skorts are a happy medium.

I see no problem with modest jeans.
NEVER for Mass tho.



God Bless!
-isabelle (shootingstar)



P.S. No pants on the ground for me!
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0 # Justin 2012-05-29 16:44
I wear blue jeans, they're just another part of the wardrobe for me. I don't wear tight jeans, I like them baggy. I wear them because they're comfortable, hard-wearing, and cheap as chips.
I'm in Australia, hard wearing clothes are a necessity over here, especially if you do some form of manual labour for a job or fancy a trip out into the bush to enjoy God's creation.

I don't feel they send a sexual signal themselves, I think that's tight clothing in general which has taken form in skinny jeans. I wouldn't judge blue jeans in general over this.
As for wearing jeans to Mass. I'm not against this, I myself wear a pair of nice black jeans because again not only are they comfortable, they look nice and are warmer than a pair of say dress pants one might wear with a suit.
The conformism message here does make me think though. Need to take that into account next time I put on a pair of jeans. I just don't feel that because other people wear jeans, I shouldn't.
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+4 # Ken 2012-06-07 19:34
I don't wear jeans to Sunday Mass. I wear "my Sunday best". Why? Beacuse I am going to the Lord's house. When I go to a baseball game, I wear jeans. There is a time & a place.
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-3 # James Howard 2012-06-08 00:04
In the days of Jesus they wore rags that we would call robes. A person is defined by their behavior. Hitler wore suits and uniforms much of the time. He was a well dressed mass murdered. Jesus wore rags essentially on earth and He is Our Lord. This article should discuss actual wear which borders on nudity, jeans ca even be in well dressed styles. It is behavior that we are concerned with, not the style and the fashion of the day. Care to debate me? I bet you won't.
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+1 # Mark Grillo,TOC 2013-06-24 14:15
Dear Mr.Howard, "It is behavior that we are concerned with, not the style and the fashion of the day.".....As I wished to convey above to Scragsma, choosing, as well as donning the style and fashion of the day IS, in fact, BEHAVIOR. I refer you again to Blessed Jacinta of Fatima: "Certain FASHIONS will be introduced which shall greatly offend Our Lord. Those who serve Our Lord must not follow the fashions...". Sincerely, Mark Grillo,TOC,ROSMA
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+2 # Mark Grillo,TOC 2013-06-24 16:28
Dear Mr. Howard, You state: 'This article should discuss actual wear which borders on nudity...". This seems too general an assertion; I do not understand what you mean. For instance, are you saying the devout Catholic should only focus on condemning bikinis, g-strings, & speedos? There are, in fact, other fashions not as obviously revealing as these that are STILL a moral problem, worthy of condemnation. The Bolshevik Protocol warned of by Our Lady of Fatima deals with incremental immodesty as well as those items which are obscene in a hard-core manner. Sincerely yours, Mark Grillo,TOC,ROSMA
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0 # Louise 2013-06-18 15:41
There is nothing wrong with this article. However, it confuses issues a bit. If you're saying that women might consider wearing skirts because the cut of jeans most often arouses the passions, the point is well taken. My husband wears jeans, and he NEVER looks immodest in them because he never wears them tight. Before moving to skirts exclusively, I wore elastic-waist jeans. It was a middle ground that most women don't find appealing. The mixing of issues is that 100 venial sins do not equal one mortal. Wearing a denim skirt to Mass, while possibly disrespectful, would never be the same as the sin of wearing scandalously tight jeans. There are plenty of places to buy modest clothes, mainstream and otherwise, there are always sales,and limiting the wardrobe is better than an extensive immodest wardrobe. Blair, Serengeti,modestapparelusa.com, Lillies Apparel, to name a few. A denim skirt for casual is not the same as blue jeans. We do not have to be different JUST to be different.
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+3 # AMC 2013-06-18 17:41
Even though it is difficult to go against the flow and to find modest pieces, it is not impossible. If many more people stood against the current fashion of wearing tights as if they were pants (men and women alike), and no one bought immoral clothing, the stores would have to rethink what they promote, and how they do so without laying it all on the sexual appeal of lust.
The fabric of jeans is nice, and it does look great on baggy, carpenter's jeans and skirts too. Only if people knew better on how not to be brainwashed to get jeans for girls, ladies and women, as tight as if they were pantyhoses. ...There is where the problem is, on not knowing how to dress to be respected as a son of God
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-1 # Barbara H 2013-06-18 23:18
Something that seemed to be missed is cowboys/cowgirls. I am a 62 year old woman who wears long skirts or loose fitting trousers to appropriate events outside the home such as restaurants, church, etc. However, when I'm at home riding my horse, working in my garden or reading a book on the couch, jeans are definitely my uniform. Horseback riding is very popular with young women and I prefer they wear denim jeans to the skin-tight eastern riding pants you see in horse shows.
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0 # Tom 2013-06-19 19:14
Jesus Christ wants our hearts, not our appearances. You can dress nice and go to church your whole life, but if you don't believe that Christ is who He is, and don't follow him, you wont be saved no matter who well you dress. Plus we need to be welcoming to the broken and the lost, and dressing all fancy is no way to do that. In the Bible people would put on Sackcloth and repent, not their nicest attire. You should concentrate on the person, not the outside appearance.

Editor's comment to Tom:

The central point is this: If one truly loves God, he will keep His Commandments. Fancy or expensive clothes are not the issue. However, even the poorest of the poor can dress with dignity and modesty which reflects their inner attitude and willingness to serve God in every way, even in the details of dress.
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