Promotion of God's Marriage Gets Cheers and Jeers at Notre Dame

By P. Miller   
April 28, 2014

Report from April 25, 2014

As TFP Student Action volunteers unraveled their banner and began handing out fliers outside DeBartolo Hall at the University of Notre Dame on April 25, many students approached and enthusiastically thanked them for standing up for Catholic doctrine. "There are many here who don't agree,” said a young man. "I agree with you and I'm not even Catholic, I'm atheist."

 

Pointing to our banner, which states, "God's marriage = 1 man + 1 woman," others claimed that our message was too "dogmatic."

Talking about the growing animosity towards the truth in our wayward culture, one student said:

“I know I will be martyred. By that I mean I will likely loose my job, be calumniated, and hated for my Faith."  Peter Miller responded: "Yes, even Our Lord died as a Man of sorrows, despised by men. ‘know that if you are hated, I was hated first.’”  But we must also remember that He overcame the world.  Evil doesn't stand a chance. 

Lively discussions on campus

In another conversation, a student insisting that “two men can have a child.”  

Danniel Pribble responded:  “No they can’t, it's biologically impossible. Besides, mothers shine in certain virtues and they have an irreplaceable role in the family and in society.  They have special qualities, such as the ability to be mothers, that no man will ever have or replace.”

He had no comeback.  

"Love is love," shouted another student who was carrying a skate board. "Any two people who love each other can get married."

James Donlon asked: "If a father loves his son, can he get married to him?” 

"No."

“So what about two women?”

“Yes, that's ok.”

“How do you discern right from wrong?"

"Look, you're just on the wrong side of history, man!” 

“As a matter of fact, on the marriage issue, you are in the minority. Way more people are for traditional marriage than against it.” 

“Well, having the majority isn't everything!”

“Then why did you start telling me I was on the wrong side of history?"

“Well I guess you're right.”

“Even your community, the black community, is overwhelmingly in favor of traditional marriage. That is good.  But more importantly, right is right even if nobody does it and wrong is wrong even when everybody does it.  And same-sex 'marriage' will always be morally wrong.”

Another pro-homosexual student stated how she wants to abandon her parents' "restrictive" morals.  “I agree that same-sex 'marriage' may be wrong but it's not for me to judge anyone.  My church and my family would agree with you but I don’t," she said.  "Stop talking...  You're changing what I want to believe."

Meeting a liberal professor

"Who gave you permission to be here?!" asked a professor, visibly upset, clutching pen and paper.  "Don't you know that your presence out here is interfering with my students inside the classroom?  They can't study because of you."

A TFP volunteer answered her politely. She wrote down his answers on a sheet of paper.  It was difficult to understand how a table peacefully and quietly promoting true marriage could be disruptive to students who could neither hear nor see us in faraway classrooms. 

"What is so disruptive about our message?" the TFP volunteer asked.

"This is wrong because you stand for inequality!" she said.

"Yes, God, Who created a wonderfully hierarchical universe, is infinitely unequal."

Quick one-liners

ND student: “Please don't inflict me with your ignorance.”
TFP volunteer: "I won't. Just read the flier, I didn't write it."

ND student: “You're on the wrong side of history!”
TFP volunteer:  "But don't you know what happens at the end of history?

ND student: "There are no moral absolutes."
TFP volunteer:  "Are you sure?"
ND student:  "Yes, I'm positive."
TFP volunteer:  "Does 2 + 2 = 4?"
ND student: "We don't necessarily know because people are conditioned by other people to think that 2 plus 2 equals 4."

ND student:  “I can't believe this [table for marriage] is happening.”
TFP volunteer:  "This is simply Catholic doctrine."
ND student:  "Not for long.  Pope Francis will soon change it."

Your table has permission but you don’t

As more students approached and read fliers and were happy with it, the pro-homosexual group on campus, as expected, was not pleased and immediately began organizing. They made calls to have us removed. 

I should mention that yesterday the police asked us to leave campus because our written authorization to be on campus was apparently not approved by upper Notre Dame management. 

So today, at about noon, when two policemen appeared, Charles Sulzen asked them: “Is this a repeat of yesterday?” They responded, "Yes, pretty much."  

“What’s the problem this time?” 

“You're permission isn't official enough.”

“But before we came today we called the police department and we have all the emails we need to confirm that we have approval.  Do you want me to show you the email?”

Charles playfully asked the lieutenant: "The next time we come, would it help if we brought a stone tablet with permission etched in it?”

“You and I both know that that still won't work,” he said. “My hands are tied.”

Then the order came:  “Cease and desist! Stop talking to students. Close up!”  John Ritchie explained how we went through the proper channels. We had the emails from the Student Activities Office.  The police department itself had the activity on their roster.  However, the police officer said we only had permission for a table, and that nobody could man the table.  It sounded so silly.

As we peacefully followed orders to dismantle, we noticed that a group of Notre Dame students had formed a line.  In their midst, they carried a blue trash can with a sign on it, saying: "Notre Dame supports equal rights for all people,” and they coaxed students to discard the TFP handouts instead of allowing a free exchange of ideas, as a normal university would.  Even so, we didn’t see anyone put our fliers in their trash can. 

As we departed, a grateful student said: “Thank you for witnessing to the truth.” 

At the end of the day, despite being closed down on two consecutive days, the event was successful because it got students thinking and discussing a Catholic viewpoint based on natural law that is probably not often discussed in the "sophisticated" halls of academia -- sadly, not even at Catholic Notre Dame.

May God protect the future of the family in America.

 

Comments  

 
-1 # Guest 2014-04-29 11:37
Notre Dame is a far cry from being a Catholic Institution of Higher Learning. It is unfortunate for those parents and students who choose ND thinking it to be Catholic. What a sad situation!!!
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-1 # Ruthy 2014-04-29 11:54
They should change the name and call Notre Dame an atheist University. At least people will know where and what kind of people are in charge.
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0 # Don Collier 2014-04-29 12:03
Marytv.tv has been made aware of this. They attend church at Notre Dame, lets see what they can do.
Lots of Love and Peace your way, many praying people are backing you up!
God Himself is smiling on you!
Great report on the stand at ND.
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-1 # Jim Finnegan 2014-04-29 12:33
As a class of 1956 graduate (BS Business Administration) and a freshman walk on for football under Coach Frank Leahy, I can only imagine most of my classmates led by Leahy, Early, McBride, and the lads they were responsible being there minding the table. I am very proud of TFP and the students who stood for what the University should have championed. Sadly, ND is indeed not my father's ND any longer!
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-1 # Evan J. Williams 2014-04-29 12:59
Keep on keeping on! We have to stand for something or we will fall for anything that is pretty much exhibited by the so called academia and academics of our society including those atheists in Washington, DC.
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+2 # Amy Glasscock 2014-04-29 13:01
Thank you for defending our faith. I am amazed at how confused people are, even on "Catholic" campuses. I agree that your event was a success, even if it was unfairly shut down. It gets people to think. Please continue to do this great work of evangelization, in such a caring and Christian way. It is a very brave thing to do, and you will all be rewarded for it.
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0 # Mark E. Ginter 2014-04-29 13:29
Thank you for your witness to freedom and the truth. God bless all of your efforts.
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-1 # Marilyn Pipkin 2014-04-29 14:01
Is Notre Dame still a Catholic institution. I have several relatives who are graduates of Notre Dame. They chose Notre Dame because it was a quality CATHOLIC university. To disallow Catholic dogma at a university is dishonest. If this pro homosexual ideology is endorsed all Catholic support should be withdrawn from Notre Dame and the name of the university should be changed.
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0 # Dr. Rosemary Woolley 2014-04-29 14:16
I am not only disappointed but appalled by the above action at ND. From inviting Barrack Obama to speak and receive an honorary degree to actions above, how do you still call yourself a Catholic University!!??
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-4 # ND Student 2014-05-01 07:10
Go ahead and say that abortion kills innocent people, but Bush started a war that also killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people. No politician is 100% in line with Catholic teaching. If you want a Catholic president, write in Pope Francis in 2016. Until then, realize that that Barack Obama has done plenty to benefit the poor and marginalized - which Jesus said to do - and stop defining people by just one personal belief.

Also, that was 5 years ago. Get over it.
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+3 # Not a ND student 2014-05-06 13:43
As Obama spreads the killing of innocent babies by forcing Belize (right now) to comply with legalized abortion or lose US help? How does a person get over that poisonous man's works so easily ND student? Go to one of your chapels and sit before your God for awhile and think about that!
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-2 # peter 2014-04-29 15:29
ahhh---good ol ND--another run down --run out-- has once been a good Catholic Univ. God has left the campus because that's what the so called gay students want.
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+5 # Melanie 2014-04-30 15:26
God has left the campus because that's what the so called gay students want.

Peter, you do realize that Notre Dame's club Prism is more than just students who identify themselves as homosexual, right? As a current ND student, I thoroughly support making gay students feel more comfortable on campus, as do many other heterosexual students. Just because we love and accept our brothers and sisters despite what sexuality they identify with doesn't mean "God has left the campus"
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-1 # Joseph Rayles 2014-04-29 20:39
Sad that there would be students at a Catholic university that don't know there Faith.
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+5 # Melanie 2014-04-30 15:30
Quoting Joseph Rayles:
Sad that there would be students at a Catholic university that don't know there Faith.


Joseph, it's "their" faith, and plenty of students at our University routinely practice Catholicism and exercise their love for all human beings. My faith taught me to be understanding.
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+2 # Cara 2014-04-30 16:22
Good thing they know grammar, unlike you, apparently.
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0 # Finola 2014-04-30 09:05
God Bless you for your courage and perseverance. You will be greatly rewarded. You are being mocked and attacked as Jesus was mocked and ridiculed. But you will have done a lot of good by standing there - you are very courageous. Prayers for your mission.
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-1 # Finola 2014-04-30 09:08
Thank you for your courage and delivering the truth. You can see how they are afraid of the truth. Can't take it - using the same phony excuse that you are talking hate speech. I'm so tired of hearing that old argument. Prayers for your continued mission.
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+6 # Thomas 2014-04-30 12:20
You mean: "delivering their truth." The Bible is not universal truth. There are other religions... did you know that????
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+1 # Chas 2014-05-10 20:32
Tom,
Careful! Not all "religions" are equal. Some "religions" require human sacrifice. Some "religions" require that all infidels be forcefully converted or be killed. You are preparing yourself for future life in the non-physical universe. Choose carefully.
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-1 # Diane 2014-04-30 14:43
It brings tears to my eyes especially since the University is named after Our Lady!!!

If they don't shape up and come into union with all the teachings of the Church, it's overtime that they have their so called 'Catholic' identity taken away from them!!!
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+3 # Melanie 2014-04-30 15:35
Diane, you're correct in saying that the University of Notre Dame was named after Mary, our lady. However, Mary did not tell people to go out into the world and shame others for their sexuality. Personally, my faith as a Catholic taught me to be accepting of all humans.

Also, interesting that you mention Mary. Do you realize that TFP doesn't have female members? At least the student organization that came to Notre Dame did not.
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+3 # Maria 2014-05-06 12:18
Malanie, in true Christian charity,(I'm sure you approve of fraternal correction) I think you are getting your principals mixed up, did you ever hear of Sodom & Gomorrah? Please read up on it in the Bible and come back and tell us what God did to the inhabitants and why.
You say "my faith as a Catholic taught me to be accepting of all humans." There again you are been mislead. Our Lord Himself teaches that we must be charitable to all humans but can never accept nor condone a lifestyle or what ever that is directly opposed to the 10 commandments, justice and the natural law. Wasn't He the very one to set the example by destroying Sodom & Gomorrah and throwing out the merchants that converted His Father's house in a den of thieves?
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+3 # Melanie 2014-04-30 15:50
As a student on Notre Dame's campus who does not agree with the TFP's message, I highly doubt my comment will get published on this website. While I wholly accept that, I continue to write this comment because I know someone from the TFP will have to read it before deciding my opinion doesn't have a place on this website. I'm not here to yell or belittle your group. However, your TFP group wrongly videoed students on a campus where you were not clearly allowed. Students on Notre Dame's campus have worked very hard over the past several years to make students of all sexualities feel welcome. Yes, I am a Catholic. But my faith taught me to be accepting of others and not shame them for how they identify sexually. God never gave me an option when it came to my sexuality; I was born straight. I am, however, disappointed at the comments on this website from adults blindly claiming things about Notre Dame's credibility and faith. Notre Dame has indeed changed since the 50s: for the better.
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-1 # James 2014-04-30 19:38
As a student on Notre Dame's campus who agrees with the Pope's message, which is don't judge others (i.e. don't burn gays at the stake) but, at the same time, morality is not relative. The group was not allowed on a technicality because the volunteers were not students, but they did receive permission to set up the table by a group of students who were fearful of judgment by their peers to stand for the Catholic church. It doesn't sound like your faith is Catholic, being Catholic is more than just going to mass every Sunday, it involves a strong commitment to justice, it sounds like you've bought into the faith of relativism. Just because we shouldn't pass judgment on others doesn't mean what they're doing is wrong. These fellow ND kids who have no problem with gay marriage don't really see marriage as the sacred institution that Catholics around the world believe it to be, hell, the kids who support gay marriage overwhelmingly support premarital sex.
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-1 # Chas 2014-05-10 20:52
Quoting Melanie:
.... my faith taught me to be accepting of others and not shame them for how they identify sexually. ....


Some compulsive child molesters will claim that they were born that way so "leave me alone".

Some compulsive gamblers will claim that they were born that way so "leave me alone".

Are you "understanding and accepting" of serial rapists who follow that path? Do you consider it unjust to "impose" your morality on such people?

We must remember judgment type #3 which IS required of all of us. In the New Testament Jesus stated "If your brother has offended you,...." A review of this passage reveals that we ARE required to take corrective (but charitable) action with an errant brother or sister.

There really are boundaries in all of life.
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0 # Jason 2014-04-30 22:42
I really don't understand why so many people give in to these people. We FAR outnumber them. Just say no and deny them legitmacy.
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+3 # ND Student 2014-05-01 07:02
I am a student. I passed by the building numerous times during the two days. I never once heard/saw you talking to students/NDSP in the manner in which you claim you did. What I saw all day was a few volunteers saying "support traditional marriage" while they handed out fliers and students either taking one (insilence) or continuing to walk (in silence). Everyone was on the way to class. No one stopped to make very dumb or extremely intelligent and theological comments (and obviously it's all the anti-gay marriage people are insightful and dignified while all the pro-gay marriage kids can barely form a thought. Really? 'We don't know 2+2=4 because some people are conditioned differently'?)

The Bible says homosexuality is a sin, but it also says lying is a sin...
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+2 # Rico 2014-05-06 12:24
Homo sexual so called "marriage" CAN be JUDGED as immoral, contrary to natural law, doing harm to the common good and sinful. We judge the ACTIONS, not the persons. It is bigoted and shameful how the LGBT and their supporters try to silence the Truth.
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-1 # Doug 2014-05-21 15:37
Kudos to you, from an Evangelical Protestant fellow traveler.
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